Body dysmorphia, self-injecting B12 & The Debra makes an appearance (Kami’s mom)

Eva (00:06):
You are listening to Less of You. I'm Eva.

Kami (00:09):
My name is Kami.

Eva (00:10):
Come with us as we confront our reasons for being obese while losing weight on semaglutide and roasting our past selves. Who's this lady?

Debra (00:20):
Who am I?

Kami (00:21):
It's mom.

Eva (00:22):
Who are you?

Debra (00:23):
It's Kami's mom.

Kami (00:26):
Yay.

Eva (00:27):
Welcome to Less of You. Please tell us about yourself.

Debra (00:32):
So I am Debra. I am Kami's mama, my darling daughter. Love her so much.

Eva (00:41):
You're kind of like my mom too.

Debra (00:43):
Is that what your mom would say?

Eva (00:45):
No, I said you're kind of like my mom too.

Debra (00:47):
Yeah. I'm kind of a mom figure to several people in my life, so I have a confession to make.

Kami (00:56):
Oh, tell us.

Debra (00:58):
Okay. So when Kami started this journey, I was all about it. I was trying to figure out how we could make it all happen for her, and I just wanted to be there and supportive. But in the back of my mind, I'm like, Ooh, I got this last 20 pounds. And I'm the person that people would say, oh, you look fine. But they don't know what 15 to 20 pounds feels like on me. I'm the person that people might say, oh, you're just fine. You're fine. You're a senior citizen, you're supposed to have a little fluff, all of that. And so my confession is I am like, okay, go Kami, do it, do it.

Kami (01:44):
Was I like the guinea pig?

Debra (01:45):
Well, I wanted you to have what you wanted. You said, I've got this little girl. I want to be healthy. I'm an older mom, and that's why I'm doing it. It wasn't aesthetics. It wasn't how I looked, although that will probably be a benefit for you. And last time I saw you, I could see it. You were down 25 pounds. I said, Ooh, I could see it. It's happening. So in the back of my mind, I'm like, oh gosh, should I try it?

Eva (02:13):
This is like when you go Christmas shopping and you just buy stuff for yourself, right?

Kami (02:19):
Yeah. You're like, Ooh, I want that. I want that. And then you've heard us talk about our reward systems and stuff like that. Yeah. I've done that with Christmas shopping where I was like, well, I'm buying all of these things for all these other people, I deserve a treat for myself.

Debra (02:33):
Right?

Kami (02:34):
Yes. And you deserve a treat, mom.

Debra (02:37):
Well, I invested several years ago in tons of wonderful clothing that Cabi clothing, you know I love that clothing line. And I can get into a lot of those jeans now. I'm like,

Kami (02:52):
Well, at $150, $125 a pop, you're going to want to wear those for a long time.

Debra (02:56):
Right? It's cheaper to pay for the medicine, and get back to the clothing than to replace my clothing. Right?

Kami (03:02):
That's true. Yep.

Eva (03:02):
That is some seriously solid logic, Debra.

Debra (03:08):
Yes. I'm the queen of justification. So I, Kami, you don't know, but I had already started the medicine before I even told you.

Kami (03:21):
No kidding. I was wondering because you're like, yeah, I'm on this dosage. And I was like, that's really high for having just started something. But I was like, okay, whatever mom, do your thing.

Debra (03:35):
Because I, I didn't want to steal your thunder.

Kami (03:37):
Oh, stop.

Debra (03:37):
I wanted, and I even texted Eva, I'm going on the medicine, but don't tell Kami yet.

Eva (03:43):
Don't tell Kami.

Kami (03:43):
It wouldn't have mattered. Oh my God.

Debra (03:49):
Well, I was just trying to be a sensitive mom, not get, I didn't want to spot myself. So in any case, but after I started, I kind of thought, I'm going to tell her.

Kami (04:02):
How could you not tell me, like what?

Debra (04:05):
Right, right. Because I also had questions and I wanted to ask somebody who had been down that road.

Eva (04:14):
I think when you're around people who have to lose a lot like Kami, and I did. I'm going to get to a hundred.

Debra (04:21):
Yeah, you are.

Eva (04:22):
When I'm all done, which is absolutely insane. So I said to somebody yesterday that I was at 86 or whatever, and she said, I can't even picture 86 pounds on you. Neither can I, I didn't see it. I couldn't see it. It's like a mental disorder.

Kami (04:39):
Yeah, yeah. It's called body dysmorphia. It's an actual thing.

Eva (04:41):
But I didn't know there was a version where you were really fat, but you didn't think you were.

Kami (04:47):
Oh yeah. Very common. It's also called denial. I mean, it's a little column A, little column B.

Eva (04:54):
I have a friend that really loves me, and one time, it had to be 15 years ago, she said, if you don't acknowledge that, everything you put in your mouth ends up on your body and you're not telling yourself the truth. And that was her way of saying the truth. That was just how she said it to me and never forgot it, but I didn't understand it. Does that make sense?

Kami (05:15):
Yeah, totally.

Eva (05:16):
I'm eating this. Surely it's not doing what I think it's going to do.

Kami (05:22):
Turns out it did.

Eva (05:23):
It does It sticks around, if you eat too much, it doesn't go anywhere. Anyway, Debra, give us your number. So when did you start?

Debra (05:33):
Oh, I started eight weeks ago. I was at 167 and a half. I'm at 163. So if I could get 15 more pounds off, I'd be ecstatic. 13 would be great. But when I thought about it, I thought, oh, I'm not a candidate. And so when my friend Maureen opened up her weight loss clinic, TrimMedix, shameless plug.

Eva (06:05):
Available in Oregon and Washington.

Debra (06:06):
Yes. I texted her. I said, Hey, could someone that wants to lose 20 pounds? She goes, oh yeah, there's a lot of people.

Eva (06:17):
Asking for a friend.

Debra (06:18):
Ask for friend.

Kami (06:21):
She's like, Debra, what are you doing?

Debra (06:25):
And so we started to talk and I set up the appointment and went through all the process. And so what I noticed though after the first month is I've never had any side effects at all. There was one time I had a little indigestion, but I had eaten tacos. So who knows? I think it was the taco seasoning, but I didn't change much of anything. But I did notice that I can eat past my fullness now, but I don't let myself.

Kami (06:59):
Right. It's easier to stop.

Debra (07:02):
Right? I don't need those last five bites.

Kami (07:06):
Yeah, I do that a lot now.

Debra (07:07):
Yeah. So my husband, Raymond, Kami's dad, he is the cook in the house and he cooks very healthy, meat salad, but I don't need as much of what he gives me now. And he hasn't made the adjustment. I've made the adjustment, so he'll go, wasn't it good?

Kami (07:26):
Oh yeah.

Debra (07:27):
Oh, it was delicious, honey, I'm done. I'm satisfied.

Kami (07:31):
Oh I can totally see him being like, don't you like it?

Debra (07:35):
Yeah. Yeah. I told him yesterday, just you don't have to give me as big a portions as you normally would. If I want more, I'll go back. So it's been easy. I've felt fuller longer. I do notice that I try not to eat anything past eight o'clock at night. By the time I go to bed, I'm still full. When you lay down and you're full

Kami (07:58):
If you're over. Yeah.

Debra (08:00):
Right?

Kami (08:00):
Yeah. The late night snacking and the late night sugar snacking for me is huge.

Debra (08:07):
Oh, so has that been something you've changed?

Kami (08:10):
Oh yeah, totally.

Debra (08:11):
Okay.

Eva (08:12):
I just heard this really nice explanation about why it's harder to eat at night, and it's because everything's moving slower, so everything you've eaten all day is still there and it just needs more time. So by the end of the day, you're actually putting food on top of the food you ate all day. And I was like, oh, that totally makes sense. I mean, last night I've been making this amazing chicken tostada recipe that takes 15 minutes and it tastes like a restaurant. And I looked at my dinner, it was like one tostada with chicken on it, and in the old days I would've had to make three of 'em. And I looked at that and I was like, I wonder if I'm going to be able to eat all that.

Debra (08:54):
Well, I've on the keto diet for about a year, pretty faithfully. I was up to 178 and on the keto diet, I was able to get down to that 167, but I just, reducing my calories didn't help, any of that. So that's one of the reasons I thought, well, if I can just get the last 15 pounds off and get back into my clothes, my massive wardrobe.

Eva (09:22):
Did they do labs for you, Debra?

Debra (09:25):
I had had labs done at my primary care, so they didn't need to do any labs, and they don't standardly do labs unless there's a reason for it. I'm a virtual patient of theirs, and so I think they do labs for people when they come in. They actually run labs.

Kami (09:44):
I got my lab results back this week, just my standard stuff, perfection all the way across the board.

Debra (09:51):
Oh, good.

Kami (09:52):
Every single thing was on target, my cholesterol, A1C, thyroid, all of it.

Debra (10:01):
Oh, that's awesome.

Kami (10:04):
And even my endocrinologist was like, you don't really need to see me anymore.

Eva (10:08):
What? You got fired?

Debra (10:09):
Wow.

Kami (10:09):
Which is fine because he's kind of a jerk.

Eva (10:12):
Oh, good.

Kami (10:13):
I mean, I'm sure he is a good doctor and whatever, but.

Eva (10:15):
Are you on thyroid meds?

Kami (10:17):
Oh yeah.

Debra (10:18):
Okay.

Kami (10:19):
Yeah. You know that I,

Debra (10:20):
Yeah, I was wondering if you were able to get off of that.

Kami (10:24):
No, the thyroid will never get better. My pregnancy toasted my thyroid. But what happens is the more weight you lose, even if you have a thyroid that's not functioning a hundred percent, it'll be easier for what is functioning to function. Does that make sense?

Debra (10:43):
Okay. So it doesn't have to work so hard.

Kami (10:46):
Right.

Debra (10:47):
Okay.

Kami (10:48):
So what's good is, I mean, this is the first time that I've ever had lab work where I didn't have to have a medication adjustment on my thyroid. First time ever in seven years.

Debra (10:58):
Wow. That's awesome.

Kami (11:00):
Wow.

Debra (11:01):
Please get yourself tested for M-T-H-F-R.

Kami (11:06):
Can I tell,

Debra (11:07):
Have you tested for M-T-H-F-R, Eva?

Eva (11:11):
No, I haven't.

Debra (11:11):
A lot of people have it. It's a gene mutation and it can affect your thyroid now.

Eva (11:17):
It's a really bad one.

Debra (11:19):
Now, Kami, when I say M-T-H-F-R.

Eva (11:19):
She thinks you're saying, the F word.

Kami (11:21):
I think you're saying motherfucker. The motherfucker gene. Because if you look at the initials, I'm like, that's says motherfucker. Mom.

Eva (11:31):
I know.

Kami (11:32):
She's like, well, if you don't take care of it, it can treat you like a motherfucker. I'm like, alright. So now I have to

Eva (11:39):
The marketing department over in the, whatever, whoever came up with this did a really good job.

Kami (11:45):
Yeah.

Debra (11:46):
Oh yeah.

Kami (11:47):
So, I was like, okay. So yeah, I guess I got to do that. But

Debra (11:51):
Listen to your mother.

Kami (11:55):
You gave me the motherfucker gene mom.

Debra (11:58):
I probably did. I probably did. I found out about that gene when they did the genetic testing when I had cancer seven years ago, and it was five years before anybody said, oh, by the way, you have M-T-H-F-R. That's one of the reasons the vitamin B shot is good.

Kami (12:17):
Okay. Well, I can tell because I've been doing the sublinguals and it's changed my life.

Debra (12:23):
Oh, that's good.

Kami (12:24):
Changed my life. Yeah.

Eva (12:27):
I am super tired still. But you know what, it's because school started, it's because the kids won't go to bed and the kids won't get up. By late in the week, I'm just done because my sleep deficit is so large. It always takes three weeks. I know, this is what is the second week? Yeah, one more week.

Kami (12:48):
Yeah. Getting Kordelia to go to sleep is rough, but we're making it work. The good news is she doesn't have to get up so early for school this year at a different school, so they start later. But I do that sublingual B four times a day.

Eva (13:02):
That's too much work.

Kami (13:03):
It is a lot of work. I do have the reminder on my watch, and so it pings and I'm like, okay, squirt. So once I get into the routine of it, but I'm looking at other options. When you do your B mom, is it once a week?

Debra (13:17):
Once a week.

Kami (13:18):
Okay.

Debra (13:19):
Once a week. So I do my shot both my shots the same day, and then I'm done.

Kami (13:24):
Okay.

Debra (13:25):
Some people say you don't have to put it in a muscle, and some people say you do. So I put it in the muscle in my thigh, and the first time I did the vitamin B on myself, I was shaking. I was like, oh, I can't poke this thing into myself. I can't harm myself. But it goes in so easy.

Eva (13:44):
My needles are the same for both, but what I kept doing was, which side am I supposed to be on because I still injected my stomach. And I keep forgetting, what did I do last week? I suppose I could write it down, but why would I take the time to write it down? So then I was like, okay, if it's an even day, I, I'm going to go on the right and if it's an odd number date, I'm going to go on the left. But then I was like, well, what happens when there's only 30 days in the month and then there's 31 and am I going to get screwed up

Debra (14:14):
That will mess you right up.

Eva (14:15):
SSo now I need a new system. Then I go, oh, I still have enough fat. It probably doesn't matter. When I don't have this much fat. Then I'll ask somebody, what should I do?

Kami (14:26):
Yeah. So you do a B shot too, Eva?

Eva (14:31):
Yeah.

Kami (14:31):
And do you do it in the muscle or no?

Eva (14:33):
No, I just do them on the same side.

Debra (14:37):
Yeah, I've heard both sides, from medical people.

Eva (14:39):
I mean, there's still a good amount of surface area here.

Debra (14:42):
You still have a surface area.

Eva (14:46):
Yeah. I still have quite a lot of abdominal fat out front. I mean a lot less obviously, but I have plenty for my injections.

Kami (14:57):
So mom, talk to us about going up to the next dosage because you and I were chatting about that, so tell me what they're recommending and all that.

Debra (15:08):
Okay. I was on 10 for four weeks, and then 20, I took my last 20. I shoot myself up on Sundays after church. Right?

Kami (15:19):
That's when you do it.

Debra (15:20):
And this Sunday, the nurse practitioner said, I thought I was going to 30. I said, so I go to 30? She goes, no, actually, the protocol is to go to 40 from 20 to 40. So that will be my, this coming Sunday to go to 40. Kami thought, ooh, that's a big jump. But

Kami (15:41):
It's a huge jump, I think. Eva, what do you think?

Eva (15:44):
For me, now, it's a pretty long time ago since I was on the ramping, but I do remember one where it doubled and I remember, but I never had any trouble adjusting, but there were some months where I said, I'm happy on this dose. I don't want to jump up yet. I did that at least twice.

Debra (16:01):
Well, I may end up on 40 and be there, which is fine.

Eva (16:06):
I mean, if you have a bad day, it's probably just one bad day. It's not going to be a bad week.

Kami (16:13):
Yeah. I told her, I was like, I think it's a big jump. I think you're going to have some side effects. I did.

Debra (16:20):
Well, I'll let you know. I'll let you know.

Kami (16:22):
Yeah.

Debra (16:23):
Oh, something that I thought was kind of a huge benefit. They're doing research now on semaglutide with compulsive disorders, and in this time I use nicotine pouches, and I have been able to cut that in half.

Kami (16:43):
Yeah.

Eva (16:43):
Really?

Kami (16:44):
Oh, I'm so excited, mom.

Debra (16:46):
Yeah. By the time I get to you Thanksgiving, I expect to be completely off the nicotine.

Kami (16:51):
Yay.

Debra (16:52):
It's not carcinogenic because it's just the nicotine itself, not tobacco, but it does affect arteries and blah, blah, blah. If God forbid I had to have some kind of weird surgery or something, it would not be good. So I don't want to be in chains to it. That's the thing. And I've also been able to, maybe I'm calmer. I don't know. I've been able to reduce my sleep aids as well, so I don't know if that's connected.

Kami (17:26):
It could be because if fatigue is a side effect, you may not need as much sleep aids, cuz you're already tired.

Debra (17:34):
Right. Yeah. I've been able to cut down by 25% of what I was taking.

Kami (17:38):
That's good. That's great.

Debra (17:39):
Yeah, so I'm hoping to be off of all of that too. And my cholesterol's a little bit, it's I think 260.

Kami (17:47):
Oh, mine was like 170, something really good. But to be fair, and I don't know if I ever told you this, and this might be something that they look into for you too, because my cholesterol issue, my doctor was able to determine that it's a genetic thing because there's a way to, there's the good cholesterol and the bad cholesterol, and based on whatever those results were, he's like, I can tell that you're changing your lifestyle and you're eating better. You're losing weight. And so based on whichever one was higher or lower, I don't remember, he's like, I can tell that it's genetic. So I take five milligrams of Crestor every day.

Debra (18:28):
What is that?

Kami (18:29):
Crestor is a statin. It's a cholesterol medication.

Debra (18:32):
Oh, yeah. They wanted me to go on just a small dose of statin, and I said, tell me what I need to do other than that, because Statin has its own issues.

Kami (18:46):
I'm taking such a tiny dose and it has cured all of those issues with the cholesterol stuff. So I would keep it as an option on the table if you do need it, because this could be a genetic thing. If it's genetic for me, it's probably genetic for you. And they can tell that if you're changing your lifestyle, then there's a genetic component there. But if you're doing keto and you're doing a lot of high fat, red meat, that kind of stuff, that may not be helping you. Now, I'm not a doctor mom. I don't know.

Debra (19:22):
Well, I'll tell you, we addressed that. And what happened was she looked at my lab work before I started keto, and she looked at my lab work like eight months into keto, and she said, keto is not changing it.

Eva (19:37):
Oh, interesting.

Debra (19:38):
But what is changing it is the sleep aid that I take raises your cholesterol.

Kami (19:44):
Stop it.

Debra (19:45):
And that's why I have to get off of it. It works really well.

Kami (19:49):
Which one is it? I want to make sure it's not the one I'm taking.

Debra (19:50):
It's called Seroquel.

Kami (19:53):
Oh, okay. Yeah. No, I don't take that.

Debra (19:55):
They use it as an anti-psychotic, but in very, very low doses, it's used as a sleep aid.

Kami (20:01):
Got it.

Debra (20:02):
So anyway, once I get that Seroquel out of my system for three months, the doctor wants to run my blood work again. Yeah,

Eva (20:10):
It hangs around for that long?

Debra (20:11):
Yeah. She said it needs to be out of your system for a full three months, and then she's probably buffering it a little bit, and then we'll take the test again. But my glucose is good. Everything else is good. And I always had lower cholesterol. I never had it like this, so I'm pretty sure that it's the medication I'm on because I've been on it for a while.

Eva (20:33):
I want to ask you guys, it's a little bit of a change of subject, but

Debra (20:36):
Yes, please do.

Eva (20:37):
I read every day. I am really dialed into the chatter about the drugs and what's coming down the pipeline and the compounding and the things, because it's not just for us, but I have clients who we are marketing this for. So I'm just trying to be knowledgeable and ahead of everything. And I saw that Lilly, which makes Mounjaro and Zepbound, made a couple really interesting moves. One was that they have now made the smallest two doses available in a vial for sale directly. So you still have to have a prescription, but you can just buy it from the pharmacy and it's basically the same price as the compounded. So that was an interesting development. But the other thing that is probably related, but I haven't made a connection in my fiddling with the internet is they started sending cease and desist letters to some category of compounding providers. It sounded like it was mostly people who were prescribing it online to get them to stop. And it freaked out everybody. Freaked out, my doctor, all my clients, and then the lawyers freaked out and overreacted. And so within about three days, we went on this huge roller coaster ride, which I just watched. I didn't actually react, 20 years ago, I would've reacted

(22:06):
Because I get these requests, take the word semaglutide off everything in our marketing, and I'm like, we've been marketing this for a year and a half. That's going to take a minute. Are you sure?

Kami (22:17):
Let's just pump breaks.

Eva (22:18):
The lawyer's not going to come to the office today from Eli Lilly and drop a lawsuit at the door. Can we watch for 24 hours or 48 hours and see what the lawyers actually say? Well, I guess we all use the same group of lawyers because they specialize in med spas. Then a bunch of doctors called them up and said, you guys are wrong. And the next day they sent another letter out that said, sorry, we were wrong. We were wrong, you're right, we're wrong. Don't do anything. And so there was a big scare in the middle of it. I thought, oh, I got to protect myself. And I messaged my doctor and said, can I please prepay for three months? And they go back to me. Are you out of medication?

Kami (23:01):
Like what is that?

Eva (23:03):
No, I'm trying to stockpile.

Debra (23:05):
Yeah, it's not a bad idea to stockpile if you can. It just doesn't last all that long.

Eva (23:13):
No.

Debra (23:13):
Once it hits air.

Eva (23:15):
I eventually just settled down. I just watched the whole thing. And then I was in there this morning to pick up another month and I didn't even bother. I was just like, if anybody's going to make sure we have it, it's these guys. Because they're making so, my doctors got probably got, I had to guess they probably have 3000 people on it.

Debra (23:34):
Wow.

Eva (23:35):
That is no joke of a revenue stream. I mean, that is some serious, they have teams of people, including an actual doctor hired to manage this program. So he's got a lot invested in making sure it's still around. And I have a feeling if anyone gets priority in terms of supply, it's going to be them. So I'm not going to worry too much. Plus I've lost most of my weight, so if something happens, I can go back to my primary care doctor and get a prescription and get it through the regular channel. And I'll just figure it out when it happens. But did you see any of that or did it just?

Debra (24:15):
I didn't see that, but I do see videos pop up on my YouTube about the naysayers and negativity.

Eva (24:24):
Oh there's so much of that.

Debra (24:25):
There's so much of that, and even when I started, I didn't tell many people. And I told one close friend who must have told her daughter, and I got this long text from her daughter who's a nurse. She doesn't work anymore, but she's young.

Eva (24:45):
She's just a nurse on the internet?

Debra (24:46):
She just went on and on about her friend that did Trulicity and she had all this, all kinds of issues and don't do it and don't recommend it to my mom.

Eva (24:59):
Okay.

Kami (24:59):
What the heck?

Debra (25:00):
And I thought, okay. I didn't even try and debate it with her. She was so set.

Kami (25:06):
Thanks for the information. Deleting.

Debra (25:08):
Yeah. So

Eva (25:10):
Yeah, it's messy. It's a messy space.

Debra (25:14):
Well, if people are going to get healthy and we have a lot of unhealthy people in our country, there's going to have to be something dramatic that's going to help fast.

Eva (25:27):
Did you, Kami, you probably didn't, but Debra, did you run into the Calley and Casey Means? They've been on a media tour. Do you know who I'm talking about?

Kami (25:34):
No. I have no idea.

Debra (25:35):
The doctors?

Eva (25:36):
Casey Means as a doctor and Calley Means as a lobbyist and they're brother and sister.

Debra (25:40):
Yes. Yes.

Eva (25:42):
Yeah. I was scared to listen to this because I thought they were going to say dangerous things about the medication, and I don't want to hear those things. I, I just don't want to know if it's dangerous. I'd rather not know. That says something about how much, I don't ever want to be fat again, is really what that is. But what they were talking about the food supply was I think, really serious, that what's happened to our food supply is so dangerous. And the thing I didn't know before was, did you ever notice this, like when cigarettes got in trouble and they took the cigarette companies out of business? It turns out, or according to Calley Means the cigarette companies, they bought food companies and they moved all these scientists who were addicting people to nicotine over to food.

Kami (26:30):
Shut up.

Eva (26:31):
To make food more addictive.

Debra (26:33):
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. You should watch that video, Kami, because it is informative and if you think about it too, you two have girls and all this processed food, loaded with hormones, loaded with all this, girls are going into puberty a lot earlier than they used to.

Eva (26:53):
Six years earlier.

Debra (26:55):
Than they did. I mean, even when I look at myself, I mean, I didn't get my period until I was 15.

Eva (27:03):
I was like 15 or 14.

Debra (27:06):
And so over the years, girls are,

Kami (27:08):
I was 11, remember that mom?

Debra (27:10):
Right. Over the years, girls are going into puberty so much faster,

Kami (27:14):
But it was like a couple months before I turned 12. I think Mom. Right? It was something like that. Yeah.

Debra (27:20):
So the hormones, I mean, Alice is going to be 11 in November, right? I know. I know.

Eva (27:30):
No she's not.

Debra (27:31):
Yeah, I know. I know. And you were even sharing with me, Kami, one of her friends from school is totally developed.

Kami (27:39):
Oh yeah. When I was there in June, she's like, oh, because my sister was like, oh, Alice's friend is coming over. Will you put blue highlights in her hair? I'm like, sure. So I expected to see another kid that looks like Alice. This girl, she's probably her correct height for her age, but I mean we're talking like a 32 double D and I'm not even joking.

Eva (28:09):
No.

Kami (28:09):
Yeah, yeah.

Debra (28:10):
11, 12 years old.

Kami (28:12):
And she's 10.

Eva (28:15):
She's 10. Oh.

Kami (28:16):
Yeah. I was like, now she's a little on the chubby side. Don't get me wrong. You know what I mean, I went on Angie and I was like, I thought she was like 15 or 16. I was like, why is a teenage girl hanging out with my 10-year-old niece? What is happening right now? This is weird.

(28:34):
And Angie's like, oh, no, no, no, she's 10. What the, so it could just be a weird genetic thing. I mean, I'm not saying that, oh, that's because of the growth hormones they put in plants and the hormones they put in the chicken breasts and all that. I just want to everybody to know that it could be just a weird genetic thing, and there are certain ethnicities of people that develop sooner. I don't know. All I'm saying is it struck me. I was like, so sweet, sweet girl, I love her to death. I mean, she's my niece's best friend.

Eva (29:10):
Yeah.

Debra (29:11):
Well, it could be genetic, but the statistics show that all the hormones that are in the foods are causing early puberty.

Kami (29:19):
So wild.

Eva (29:21):
Well, no one has ever convinced me before this last week and the stuff that was in that particular interview, that there's a good reason to buy organic and grass fed. And immediately I was like, I can't even take the risk anymore if they're right. I can't even take this risk anymore. I actually ordered a box of meat in this process, and it was less expensive than the store. I just tried one of those subscriptions that has that kind of organic and grass fed meat, and I was surprised at how inexpensive it was, because there's no middleman and there's no trucking. There's all that overhead that the grocery store has to put into the price of the food isn't there.

Kami (30:02):
Even at Costco where you think you can get something at a good price? No. Nope.

Debra (30:09):
Yeah, I am going to do a garden next year and I'm going to have chickens.

Kami (30:14):
Oh, you're going to do chickens. Oh, so I'm so excited. I would love, now, I would love to have chickens. Mom, they're a lot of work though.

Debra (30:23):
I know, but you know what? I don't really work. I should be able to manage that. And at least it's protein. At least I've got protein that I know doesn't have any crap in it.

Kami (30:36):
So you're talking about having chickens to butcher and eat, or are you just like for eggs?

Debra (30:40):
Nope, chickens for eggs. Just egg chicken. And I have a lot of friends that have egg chickens and they could coach me. So

Kami (30:49):
I've been looking at these bougie chicken coops online, cuz I think they're cute as hell. And they're like all florally and they have a chandelier hanging. Oh my god, mom, we're going to have, this is so exciting.

Debra (31:01):
Alright, you can help me, like you helped me with the camper.

Kami (31:06):
I will come and we'll put your chicken coop together and

Debra (31:10):
Come on spring break next year and we'll do it then.

Kami (31:13):
Okay. Love it.

Debra (31:14):
Yeah, because that'll be the perfect time.

Kami (31:17):
But here's the thing. You got to research the kinds of chicks that you're going to get. You have to figure out what their needs are, how big they're going to get. You'll have to make sure that you have all girls.

Debra (31:31):
Oh yeah. That's the city ordinance, no roosters in the city limits.

Kami (31:35):
Yeah. How many can you have? I think there's like five. You can have up to five?

Debra (31:38):
Yeah. Well, one chicken will lay three or four eggs a week once they're mature, and if you get them as chicks, it takes five to six months before they start laying. So if you came in spring break, we could all go over to the farm thing and get, buy the chicks.

Kami (31:55):
Oh, I'm so excited. Oh, she would go bananas, bananas.

Debra (31:58):
Rght? Right?

Kami (32:00):
Yeah. That would be super fun. But you just got to know that you might lose one or two. Sometimes they get egg bound and you just wake up and

Debra (32:11):
Don't you jinx my chickens.

Kami (32:12):
I'm just saying, be prepared.

Debra (32:15):
No jinxing of the chickens. You like to prepare me about things that are going to die

Eva (32:21):
If anyone's still listening.

Kami (32:24):
I know, right?

Debra (32:24):
I'm sorry. We went down a rabbit hole.

Kami (32:27):
They've all tuned out. They're like, these ladies. Boop.

Debra (32:30):
Yeah, let's get back to business. Let's talk about not being fat anymore.

Eva (32:36):
Let's wrap it up this way. I'll start so you have a minute to, but let's all share. One thing we totally love right now that you would like something you'd tell a friend about. And the reason I'm bringing that up is because mine is a cookbook, and when we go back to school, cooking dinner ruins my life every day. And I'm like, why do you have to eat again? You just ate yesterday.

Kami (32:58):
I have the opposite problem with my kid, but getting ready to eat is rough, is hard.

Eva (33:05):
I despise meal preparation and I find it, I enjoy it when I have time, but we just don't have a whole bunch of time right now. And so when the kids get home, they're like past hungry, and so they get evil until I can give them something to eat. So I'm always cooking as fast as I can so that they stop being evil and we're in this cycle and I can't cook earlier in the day because I'm working. So anyway, I am getting back into that routine.

Kami (33:32):
You don't just put peanut butter and jelly on a sandwich and say, leave me the hell alone?

Eva (33:35):
Kami, Ellie likes to make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. And so for three weeks she would say, mom, I want to make peanut butter and jelly sandwich. She would make it and leave it on the counter. And one day I was like, do you actually like eating them? And she said, no, I just making them.

Debra (33:49):
Shut up. She just would make the sandwich and leave it in.

Eva (33:52):
She just wants to make the sandwich, she doesn't want to eat the sandwich. Duh, duh, mom. I don't know, but there's no comedian funnier than my children. They just doesn't exist. Anyway, I found this cookbook by accident and it's called What To Cook When You Don't Feel like Cooking And they're broken down by 15 minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes.

Debra (34:18):
Nice.

Kami (34:19):
Where's the 60 seconds. That's what I need.

Eva (34:22):
But if we're in the 15 minute category, this is the same amount of time it takes me to microwave stuff.

Kami (34:28):
Fair.

Eva (34:29):
So I feel like that's good. And every recipe I've tried so far has been awesome. And it's the same way we eat. And so the first two I tried, I already had all the food in the pantry and I was like, this has never happened with a cookbook before. Usually I have to go get nine things to make a recipe.

Kami (34:46):
Yeah. Eye of newt and leg of lamb and like, the hair of a spider and alll kinds of weird shit.

Eva (34:55):
It's like this nice combo of fast, easy, and already the kind of food that we eat. So I've been really happy with it and I've been telling everyone about it. So I'll link it in the show notes. It's called, it's by Caroline Chambers, and she has a substack too. So if you sign up for the Substack, you get like 300 recipes all that go along with this cookbook too. So I'm thrilled with it, and well maybe even we'll clip my recommendation here and tag her on Instagram so that she sees how much we love her cookbook. Hi, Caroline Chambers. You don't know us yet, but you're going to.

Kami (35:31):
But you will. Accept your fate.

Eva (35:33):
This coming holiday season. I'm going to give it as a gift to literally everyone.

Kami (35:37):
Nice.

Eva (35:37):
I took it with me when Mary Ellen and I went to a facial plastic surgeon's open house the other day. I took the cookbook just to show it to her.

Kami (35:46):
Eva. You did not.

Eva (35:46):
Like you got to see this. No, my friend, not the doctor.

Kami (35:49):
Okay. I was like, why are you being so weird?

Eva (35:57):
You got to see this cookbook. I know it's your open house.

Kami (35:59):
Oh my God. Look at this. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Eva (36:10):
I'm going to send you one now, so there.

Kami (36:12):
Please, please do. I will.

Eva (36:13):
Deborah has time because she doesn't work, so she doesn't need the cookbook.

Debra (36:17):
I don't cook. My husband cooks.

Kami (36:19):
Oh. But there are certain signature things that my mom makes that are amazing. Growing up, her enchiladas were amazing. Split pea soup, I remember you making from scratch.

Eva (36:32):
Ooh.

Kami (36:33):
Those are the two things that I remember you being like, okay, these are my mom's thing. And I'm sure there was other stuff too, but

Debra (36:39):
Oh, that's funny, those are the things you remember.

Kami (36:41):
Yeah. Split pea soup, which I mean, and it's such a basic, it's not, you know what I mean?

Debra (36:48):
It's comfort food.

Kami (36:48):
For me it is. Yeah. I haven't had it in a million years.

Debra (36:51):
Oh, well, I'm might have to make some. Can I just say something about the food then I can say my favorite thing.

Kami (36:57):
Yeah, do it.

Eva (36:57):
Yeah.

Kami (36:57):
Because there's just two of us, we were calculating the food costs of Home Chef, one of those meal preps versus having all this leftover that we never eat and we think it's cheaper to eat that way.

Eva (37:14):
It probably is.

Kami (37:15):
Yeah. Probably for just the two of you guys. Yeah,

Debra (37:17):
Because dad doesn't make just for two.

Kami (37:20):
I don't think he knows how.

Debra (37:22):
He never made that adjustment when kids left the house. Okay. So my favorite thing right now is brioche knitting.

Eva (37:33):
Huh?

Debra (37:34):
Oh.

Kami (37:34):
Oh, you got to send the picture, send her the picture, mom of the hot pink with the lime.

Debra (37:39):
I will. Yes.

Kami (37:40):
Because I really hope you're sending that to me because I was like, that's got my name on it.

Debra (37:44):
Oh, you like that one?

Kami (37:46):
Yes.

Debra (37:46):
Okay. Well, that's good to know. I keep making,

Kami (37:48):
I was like, I love these colors, hint hint.

Debra (37:50):
I got three things for you already. No more for you. I got to work on your siblings.

Kami (37:56):
Damn it. Those bastards.

Eva (37:58):
Well, what is brioche is brioche kind of yarn?

Kami (38:01):
It's a knitting style.

Debra (38:03):
It's a knitting type of stitch where when you knit it, it looks the same on each side, but two different.

Kami (38:10):
It's like a reversible kind of. It's really cool. Yeah.

Debra (38:13):
Yeah. It's really unique. And so that's what I'm kind of into right now.

Kami (38:20):
I'm making something for you, mom.

Debra (38:21):
Oh, goodie. Alice said one time making something for someone is a way you show that you love them.

Kami (38:30):
Yeah, totally.

Debra (38:31):
I'll never forget that. I think I have it on a video.

Kami (38:35):
Oh God, that gitl.

Debra (38:35):
So cute. So cute. She was so little then.

Kami (38:38):
Yeah.

Eva (38:38):
 Oh, she's so cute.

Debra (38:39):
All right. What's your favorite thing Kams?

Kami (38:42):
Napping? Is that, I mean, that's really what I'm into right now is sleeping. Thanks. No, what's been going on in my life the last 30 days is all really work related, so I don't really have anything that's like, oh, this is a cool thing. So I am with a new real estate firm. They want me to do recruiting. They want me to do some listing management and transaction management.

Eva (39:08):
Recruiting, like finding agents? Okay. I got one for you.

Kami (39:12):
In Indianapolis?

Eva (39:13):
Yep.

Kami (39:13):
Oh, girl. Bring it on.

Debra (39:15):
That's a good role for you, Kam.

Kami (39:17):
Oh, I'm super excited about it.

Debra (39:18):
Yeah.

Kami (39:18):
Yeah. It would be like a small base salary plus bonuses. That's totally up my alley. So that's really what I'm into right now. What I need to do is hire a professional organizer so I can get my house in order, but I have to start making money to have to do that. So I'm stuck in this pot.

Debra (39:40):
Just start throwing stuff out.

Kami (39:42):
I did. I have been.

Debra (39:44):
That's really the start.

Eva (39:46):
I have been able to organize only because I brought the cleaning lady back on a regular schedule.

Kami (39:52):
That's really what I need.

Eva (39:53):
Yeah.

Kami (39:54):
I really do. And it's not like a bougie thing. It's I need this for my mental health because with ADHD, it's so intensely impossible to stay on top of stuff. And I feel like if I had somebody here to help me, then I would be able to maintain it better throughout the week. So yeah, I don't know. Kind of what I'm into right now is trying to figure out how to organize my life so I can, it's just overwhelming and it's very mentally paralyzing.

Eva (40:30):
It's so hard. It's so hard.

Kami (40:35):
It's like we're ending on a really terrible note. Let's not do that.

Debra (40:38):
Kami hire a teenager to come in and just work side by side with you. So you tell 'em, do this, do that. That's what I did to get myself organized. I had somebody come over and work what they want cleaners.

Kami (40:52):
I have, I have.

Debra (40:53):
Eva's probably got to go.

Kami (40:54):
I know. She's like, you guys are just interesting stuff.

Eva (40:56):
No, I was looking for the sad trombone sound effect. I don't have to go.

Kami (41:02):
Wah, wah.

Eva (41:02):
I think we need that one.

Kami (41:03):
Okay. Find it.

Eva (41:04):
I put sad trombone into the sound effects search engine, and all I got back was crying cats like sad meow. But I'm going to check 'em out and load 'em in the system so next time we need a sad cat, I'll have it.

Kami (41:17):
Wonderful. I think that's perfect.

Eva (41:20):
Get domestic cat. Sorry. It says domestic.

Kami (41:22):
Oh, domestic.

Debra (41:23):
Well, it's been fun to be with some of my favorite people.

Eva (41:28):
Okay, well, we're going to have you back.

Kami (41:29):
Yes.

Eva (41:30):
For a progress update.

Kami (41:31):
Heck yeah.

Debra (41:32):
Okay, sounds good.

Eva (41:34):
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